Legislature(2001 - 2002)

01/18/2002 01:39 PM House FIN

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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      January 18, 2002                                                                                          
                          1:39 PM                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 02 - 5, Side A                                                                                                         
TAPE HFC 02 - 5, Side B                                                                                                         
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CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder called  the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                     
to order at 1:39 PM.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Eldon Mulder, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Con Bunde, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                       
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
Representative John Harris                                                                                                      
Representative Bill Hudson                                                                                                      
Representative Ken Lancaster                                                                                                    
Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bill Williams, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative John Davies                                                                                                      
Representative Jim Whitaker                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gary  Stevens;  Representative  Hugh  Fate;                                                                     
Representative  Sharon   Cissna;  Colonel   Glenn   Godfrey,                                                                    
Director,  Alaska  State  Troopers,  Department  of   Public                                                                    
Safety; Del  Smith,  Deputy Director,  Department of  Public                                                                    
Safety; Colonel  Joel Hard, Director,  Division of Fish and                                                                     
Wildlife  Protection;  Gary  Powell,  Director,  State Fire                                                                     
Marshall, Department of Public Safety; Randy Crawford, Col.                                                                     
Director, Division of  Alaska State Troopers, Department of                                                                     
Public Safety; Susan Scudder, Director, Council on  Domestic                                                                    
Violence and  Sexual Assault, Department  of Public  Safety;                                                                    
Frank Rue, Commissioner, Department of Fish and Game;  Kevin                                                                    
Brooks,  Director,  Division  of  Administrative   Services,                                                                    
Department of Fish and Game.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GENERAL SUBJECT(S):                                                                                                           
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Mission and measure reports:                                                                                                    
     Department of Public Safety                                                                                                
      Department of Fish and Game                                                                                               
      Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                        
      (postponed)                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes                                                                     
and handouts will be on file with the House Finance                                                                             
Committee through the 22nd Legislative Session, contact 465-                                                                    
2156. After the 22nd Legislative Session they will be                                                                           
available through the Legislative Library at 465-3808.                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 LOG SPEAKER                DISCUSSION                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      TAPE HFC 02 - 5       DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                     
      SIDE A                                                                                                                  
 000 COLONEL GLENN          Introduced his staff.                                                                             
      GODFREY, DIRECTOR,                                                                                                        
      ALASKA STATE                                                                                                              
      TROOPERS, DEPARTMENT                                                                                                      
      OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                          
 207 Commission Godfrey     Discussed the measures for the Division                                                             
                            of Fish and Wildlife Protection. He noted                                                           
                            that the department acted on 2,729 angler                                                           
                            violations in FY01. There were 16,772                                                               
                            hunter contacts. There was a slight drop                                                            
                            in the second quarter, which may have                                                               
                            been influenced by a reduction in visits                                                            
                            after 9/11/01.                                                                                    
 427 Vice-Chair Bunde       Questioned the benefit of the contacts to                                                           
                            Alaskans.                                                                                         
 452 COLONEL JOEL HARD,     Pointed out that measures provide                                                                   
      DIRECTOR, DIVISION    baseline statistics. They need to be                                                                
      OF FISH AND WILDLIFE measured against other activities and                                                                
      PROTECTION            outcomes.                                                                                         
 570 Col. Hard              Agreed with Vice-Chair Bunde that other                                                             
                            measures may be beneficial. He explained                                                            
                            that they try to establish priorities and                                                           
                            concentrate on programs that need their                                                             
                            presence. Educational programs have also                                                            
                            been undertaken. He reiterated that                                                                 
                            activities need to be measured against                                                              
                            something. Changes in enforcement                                                                   
                            priorities make the measures difficult to                                                           
                            assess.                                                                                           
 697 Representative Croft  Suggested that the measures need                                                                     
                            additional work. He was unsure if the                                                               
                            intent is for the contacts to go up or                                                              
                            down.                                                                                             
 746 Representative         Agree with Representative Croft. He noted                                                           
      Hudson                that the intent is to prevent violations.                                                         
 815 Representative         Questioned if there are regional                                                                    
      Lancaster             statistics.                                                                                       
 827 Col. Hard              Affirmed that there are regional                                                                    
                            statistics, but observed that the                                                                 
                           department's presence is not distributed                                                             
                           evenly throughout the state.                                                                       
854 Co-Chair Mulder        Noted that it is an activity and not a                                                               
                           performance.                                                                                       
870 Representative Gary Noted the high number of hunter contacts                                                                
      Stevens              as compared to angler violations.                                                                  
897 Co-Chair Mulder        Pointed out that there were actual angler                                                            
                           violations as opposed to hunter contacts.                                                          
932 Representative         Questioned if any aircraft were seized.                                                            
      Foster                                                                                                                    
945 Col. Hard              Thought that one aircraft and one boat                                                               
                           were seized in the last year. Seizures                                                               
                           are relatively rare. The state does not                                                              
                           auction seized weapons                                                                             
1013 DEL SMITH, DEPUTY     Noted that serviceable weapons are sold                                                              
      DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT to licensed firearms operators. They are                                                             
      OF PUBLIC SAFETY     not destroyed unless dangerous.                                                                    
1056 Commissioner Godfrey Discussed measures for fire protection.                                                               
                           He noted that 4.54 percent of 1,144                                                                  
                           buildings inspected were in compliance.                                                              
                           The target is 30 percent. The low level                                                              
                           of compliance is partly due to the lack                                                              
                           of prior inspections, which were due to a                                                            
                          lack of staff.                                                                                      
1171 GARY POWELL,          Observed that the state has not seen the                                                             
      DIRECTOR, STATE FIRE results of a new policy to send                                                                      
      MARSHALL, DEPARTMENT information regarding inspection                                                                     
      OF PUBLIC SAFETY     expectations to facilities prior to their                                                            
                           visit. He observed that there are a                                                                  
                           number of non-profits working on fire                                                                
                           protection services. He could not recall                                                             
                           any buildings which needing to be closed.                                                          
1385 Commissioner Godfrey Observed that the Division made 15,000                                                                
                           contacts for fire prevention education in                                                            
                           FY01. Contacts in the first quarter of                                                               
                           FY02 were 21,337.                                                                                  
1448 Commissioner Godfrey Noted that the average time required to                                                               
                           conduct initial building plan reviews was                                                            
                           reduced from 78 percent to 75 percent                                                                
                           from FY01 to FY02.                                                                                 
1509 Mr. Powell            Felt that the goal of 80 percent is                                                                  
                           obtainable and noted that there were                                                                 
                           large reviews, which increased the time                                                              
                           needed. The program is self-supporting.                                                            
1541 Commissioner Godfrey Noted that there were 242 inspections of                                                              
                           priority occupancies in FY02 compared to                                                             
                           158 in FY01. This is 90 percent of their                                                             
                           goal.                                                                                              
1590 Co-Chair Mulder       Noted that the measure is an activity and                                                            
                           the intent is to measure the number of                                                               
                           fires prevented. He questioned how the                                                               
                           measure could be achieved. He observed                                                             
                            that risk is a big component. He                                                                    
                            questioned if it is possible to get                                                                 
                            closer to the performance.                                                                        
 1647 Representative        Questioned if the state is assuming                                                                 
      Hudson                additional liability in review of                                                                   
                            building plans.                                                                                   
 169 Mr. Powell             Did not know if risk management covers                                                              
                            the department. He pointed out that the                                                             
                            state does not design the buildings being                                                           
                            inspected. The state only notes if they                                                             
                            met state code.                                                                                   
 1701 Mr. Smith             Observed that anyone could file a                                                                   
                            lawsuit, but emphasized that the state's                                                            
                            role is to prevent offenses.                                                                      
 1726 Commissioner Godfrey Reviewed the Division of Alaska State                                                                
                            Troopers. He noted that the greater                                                                 
                            portion of their resources is focused on                                                            
                            homicide cases. He noted that 14                                                                    
                            homicides (100 percent) were solved in                                                              
                            FY02. There were 9 solved in FY01 (100                                                              
                            percent). One case was not solved in 1999                                                           
                            (although they believe they know the                                                                
                            offender.) The national rate is 69                                                                  
                            percent.                                                                                          
 1830 Commissioner Godfrey Noted that in FY02, 47 percent of                                                                    
                            reported rapes were solved. In FY01, 53                                                             
                            percent of rape cases were solved. They                                                             
                            are above the national average.                                                                   
 1869 Vice-Chair Bunde      Questioned if the crime rate affects the                                                            
                            solve rate. He wondered if the remaining                                                            
                            crimes were harder to solve.                                                                      
 1900 RANDY CRAWFORD, COL. Pointed out that they have a suspect, who                                                            
      DIRECTOR, DIVISION    is implicated, in 5 of the remaining                                                                
      OF ALASKA STATE       cases. This would bring the rate up to 51                                                           
      TROOPERS, DEPARTMENT percent.                                                                                           
      OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                          
 1958 Representative        Questioned what constitutes solving a                                                               
      Hudson                case.                                                                                             
 1969 Commissioner Godfrey Observed that a case is solved once it                                                               
                            has been turned over to prosecution.                                                                
                            Deaths of a suspect or incarceration in                                                             
                            another state are considered as                                                                     
                            exceptions.                                                                                       
 2015 Vice-Chair Bunde      Suggested that it may be interesting to                                                             
                            have a measure comparing the solve rate                                                             
                            to the conviction rate.                                                                           
 2031 Commissioner Godfrey Noted that there were 1,272 burglaries                                                               
                            with a solve rate of 19 percent. The FY01                                                           
                            solve rate was 20 percent. The national                                                             
                            solve rate is 14 percent.                                                                         
 2083 Commissioner Godfrey Discussed the Council on Domestic                                                                    
                            Violence and Sexual Assault. There is a                                                           
                           49 percent rate in continuing domestic                                                               
                           violence clients. There is a continuing                                                              
                           rate of 23.3 percent for sexual assault                                                              
                           clients.                                                                                           
2132 Co-Chair Mulder       Questioned if there is a national                                                                    
                           average.                                                                                           
2155 Commissioner Godfrey Did not have the national average.                                                                  
2161 Representative Croft  Observed that the goal is to reduce the                                                              
                           number of potential clients. He stressed                                                             
                           that the underlying message is that the                                                              
                           intent is to change the victim's conduct                                                             
                           not the perpetrator's.                                                                             
2209 Vice-Chair Bunde      Questioned the high repeat rate in sexual                                                            
                           assault.                                                                                           
2201 Mr. Smith             Pointed out that the statistics refer to                                                             
                           victims requiring continuing contact and                                                             
                           are not necessarily victims of a second                                                              
                           assault.                                                                                           
2327 Mr. Smith             Noted that funding to address batterers                                                              
                           was provided over the past two years.                                                                
                           There are no measures for the successful                                                             
                           treatment of batterers.                                                                            
2383 Representative Croft Noted that it is difficult to assess the                                                              
                           affect of programs treating batterers.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                           TAPE HFC 02 - 5, Side B                                                                          
010 Vice-Chair Bunde       Questioned if persons seeking services                                                               
                           are placed in multiple categories in the                                                             
                           statistics.                                                                                        
050 SUSAN SCUDDER,         Stated that they are placed in the                                                                   
     DIRECTOR, COUNCIL ON predominant category relating to the                                                                  
      DOMESTIC VIOLENCE    services that are being sought.                                                                    
      AND SEXUAL ASSAULT,                                                                                                       
      DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC                                                                                                      
      SAFETY                                                                                                                    
174 Representative Croft Felt that the measure should be how many                                                               
                           of the batterers in the program come back                                                            
                           with repeat offenses. He stressed that                                                               
                           the current measure focuses on the                                                                   
                           victims seeking repeat services.                                                                   
271 Commissioner Godfrey Noted that 38 percent of the Council's                                                                 
                           budget was spent on prevention efforts in                                                            
                           FY02, compared to 45 percent in FY01. The                                                            
                           cost of shelter increased from $68 to                                                                
                           $69.83 dollars per night.                                                                          
338 Commissioner Godfrey Compared the amount spent on and the                                                                   
                           percentage of reduction in domestic                                                                  
                           violence and sexual assault cases from                                                               
                           FY00 to FY01. The department anticipates                                                             
                           that $3,769 million dollars would be                                                                 
                           spent in FY02, compared to $4,411 million                                                            
                           dollars in FY01.                                                                                   
412 Ms. Scudder            Noted that there was a reduction in state                                                          
                            spending due to an increase in federal                                                              
                            funding.                                                                                          
 430 Commissioner Godfrey Reviewed the percentage change in                                                                     
                            domestic violence and sexual cases. He                                                              
                            noted that sexual assault cases have been                                                           
                            reduced but that domestic violence cases                                                            
                            have increased. Combined domestic                                                                   
                            violence and sexual assault cases have                                                              
                            grown by 5 percent.                                                                               
 507 Mr. Smith              Noted that the numbers are based on cases                                                           
                            responded to by the Department of Public                                                            
                            Safety.                                                                                           
 546 Commissioner Godfrey Reviewed the incidence of reported                                                                    
                            domestic violence and sexual assault                                                                
                            cases. Cases of domestic violence have                                                              
                            increased while cases of sexual assault                                                             
                            and sexual assault of a minor have                                                                  
                            decreased.                                                                                        
 638 Representative         Asked how many of the FY01 reports were                                                             
      Hudson                repeated from FY00.                                                                               
 716 Mr. Smith              Did not know how many of the FY01 cases                                                             
                            were repeats from FY00.                                                                           
 781 Commissioner Godfrey Noted that there was a -23.5 percent                                                                  
                            change in the number of homicides from                                                              
                            domestic violence or sexual assault.                                                              
 844 Representative Croft Pointed out that the Council has a                                                                    
                            prevention and protection mission, which                                                            
                            makes the measures difficult to assess.                                                             
                            He noted that the Council is being                                                                  
                            criticized for not doing enough for the                                                             
                           perpetrator.                                                                                       
 974 Co-Chair Mulder        Did not think it was an unhealthy                                                                   
                            tension.                                                                                          
 1001 Representative Croft Pointed out that victims are competing                                                               
                            with perpetrators for funding.                                                                    
 136 Co-Chair Mulder        Suggested that per capita expenditures                                                              
                            for victims averaged by state for                                                                   
                            treatment programs could be a measure.                                                            
 1088 Vice-Chair Bunde      Stressed that he would prefer to see                                                                
                            funding to prevent victimization as                                                                 
                            opposed to services for recovery.                                                                 
 1192 Commissioner Godfrey Noted that there are approximately 85                                                                
                            village public safety officers (VPSO),                                                              
                            which are all paid with state funds.                                                                
                            Federal funding appropriated to the                                                                 
                            Alaska Federation of Alaska (AFN) has not                                                           
                            resulted in an increase in the number of                                                            
                            officers.                                                                                         
 1266 Co-Chair Mulder       Observed that $15 million dollars in                                                                
                            federal funds were appropriated to AFN                                                              
                            last year and for the current year. He                                                              
                            pointed out that part of the funding was                                                          
                           directed for VPSO's in dry communities in                                                            
                           rural Alaska.                                                                                      
1275 Representative        Noted that the AFN is about to receive                                                               
      Stevens              the federal funds for the current fiscal                                                             
                           year.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                           DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME                                                                      
1331 FRANK RUE,            He reviewed the department's mission to                                                              
     COMMISSIONER,        protect and maintain the fish, game                                                                   
      DEPARTMENT OF FISH   aquatic plant resources of the state, and                                                            
      AND GAME             manage their use and development in the                                                              
                           best interest of the economy and well                                                                
                           being of the people of the state,                                                                    
                           consistent with sustained yield                                                                      
                           principles.                                                                                        
1603 Representative        Referred to subsistence and questioned if                                                            
      Hudson               it would make sense to add equal                                                                     
                           protection under the Constitution.                                                                 
1637 Commissioner Rue      Noted that if one provision was included                                                             
                           that they would all need to be included.                                                           
1664 Commissioner Rue      Reviewed the number of escapement                                                                    
                           objectives met. He noted that 86 percent                                                             
                           of the 166 streams and rivers actively                                                               
                           monitored were in or above their                                                                     
                           escapement objective.                                                                              
1724 Vice-Chair Bunde      Questioned the impact of over escapement.                                                          
1736 Commissioner Rue      Noted that over escapement represents a                                                              
                           lost opportunity. These are fish that                                                                
                           could have been harvested without lost to                                                            
                           the stock. If there are too many fish in                                                             
                           the system productivity can be reduced.                                                            
1810 Representative Croft How sure is the state that accounting                                                                 
                           systems are accurate?                                                                              
1829 Commissioner Rue      Responded that it depends on the system.                                                             
                           Multiple methods are used. A number of                                                               
                           indicators are also used. The state is                                                               
                           looking at a new sonar system, which                                                                 
                           would be more accurate. He felt that the                                                             
                           count was pretty accurate.                                                                         
1968 Representative Hugh Questioned if the numbers are measured                                                                 
      Fate                 against historic levels, especially in                                                               
                           the river systems.                                                                                 
1988 Commissioner Rue      Affirmed that historic performance and                                                               
                           escapement is observed.                                                                            
2005 Commissioner Rue      Discussed the number of allocation                                                                   
                           objectives met. He observed that of the                                                              
                           15 fisheries with a regulated requirement                                                            
                           to actively manage the fishery to achieve                                                            
                           allocation goals, 60 percent fell within                                                             
                           10 percent of their goal.                                                                          
2029 Commissioner Rue      Discussed measures for the Division of                                                               
                           Sport Fish. He observed that the state                                                               
                           wants to establish river systems                                                                   
                            allocations for the harvest of king                                                                 
                            salmon and the number of escapements. The                                                           
                            goal is to have an escapement goal for                                                              
                            100 percent of the major king salmon                                                                
                            harvesting systems.                                                                               
 2054 Co-Chair Mulder       Observed that if escarpment is not met it                                                           
                            could indicate that the river system is                                                             
                            crashing.                                                                                         
 2079 Commissioner Rue      Agreed and emphasized that the first step                                                           
                            is to set the goals. Progress is being                                                              
                            made in setting goals. The goal was not                                                             
                            reached in South central Alaska. He noted                                                           
                            that the state did well in achieving                                                                
                            their escapement goals.                                                                           
      Commissioner Rue      Reviewed the number of fish licenses sold                                                           
                            and the total revenue generated. The                                                                
                            number of licenses has increased. Stated                                                            
                            that there was a dip in 1999.                                                                     
 2136 Vice-Chair Bunde      Observed that licensing changes occurred                                                            
                            in 1999.                                                                                          
 2242 Representative        Asked if licenses are tracked by region.                                                          
      Lancaster                                                                                                                 
 2250 Commissioner Rue      They are tracked by location of the sale                                                            
                            and address of the holder lives.                                                                  
 2261 Commissioner Rue      Noted that there were a number of factors                                                           
                            affecting the reduction in 1999.                                                                  
 2272 Commissioner Rue      Reviewed the percentage of Alaska                                                                   
                            residents between the ages of 16 and 59                                                             
                            who purchase fishing licenses; 44 percent                                                           
                            of all residents purchased a sport                                                                  
                            fishing license in 2000.                                                                          
 2291 Commissioner Rue      Discussed measures for the Wildlife                                                                 
                            Conservation Budget Request Unit.                                                                   
                            Reviewed the number of big game surveys                                                             
                            completed for populations identified by                                                             
                            the Board of Game as important for                                                                  
                            providing high levels of human                                                                      
                            consumptive uses. Big game surveys were                                                             
                            done for 56 populations identified by the                                                           
                            Board of Game.                                                                                    
 2323 Commissioner Rue      Reviewed the number of hunting and                                                                  
                            trapping licenses sold and the total                                                                
                            revenue generated. There was Dip in 1999.                                                         
 2333 KEVIN BROOKS,         Explained that combination licenses are                                                             
      DIRECTOR, DIVISION    listed under statistics for both sport                                                              
      OF ADMINISTRATIVE     and wildlife.                                                                                     
      SERVICES, DEPARTMENT                                                                                                      
      OF FISH AND GAME                                                                                                          
 2350 Commissioner Rue      Stressed that hunter satisfaction is                                                                
                            important.                                                                                        
 2369 Vice-Chair Bunde      Observed that another source of                                                                     
                            information could be valuable.                                                                    
2378 Co-Chair Mulder       Referred to the amount of revenue                                                                    
                           generated from resident versus non-                                                                  
                           residents. He noted that non-residents                                                               
                           provide the majority of funds that                                                                   
                           support the activities of sport fish and                                                             
                           hunting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                           TAPE HFC 02 - 6, Side A                                                                          

012 Commissioner Rue Noted that 28 percent of all residents purchase hunting and trapping licenses. He noted that the licenses could be broken down by purchase location and the licensee's address. 042 Commissioner Rue Observed that there were 104,000 applications for hunts and 25,000 permits were issued. Over 500 thousand dollars were generated for the Fish and Game Fund. 113 Vice-Chair Bunde The number does not represent the number of residents applying for Tier II hunts. 169 Representative Observed that there are concerns Hudson regarding the drawn hunts near Anchorage. There are hunters in Southeast that have not been able to get permits for northern hunts. He asked if they were limited to people in that specific area. 189 Commissioner Rue Explained that the place of residence is no longer considered in Tier II licenses. Dependency and alternate resources are reviewed. The Board of Game is currently reviewing the Tier II criteria. Applicants with historical use of the population are given preference. 220 Commissioner Rue Reviewed measures for the Division of Subsistence. He noted that their mission is to gather information. The department collects subsistence data on fisheries and wildlife harvest. 229 Commissioner Rue Discussed measures for the Division of Habitat. He noted that the goal is that 95 percent of the Title 16 applications are approved or modified to protect, minimize or mitigate habitat within an average of 20 days. The average time was 17 days. 240 Vice-Chair Bunde Stated that it would be helpful to note have the range of days needed. 250 Commissioner Rue Observed that 80 percent of the land use plans reviewed resulted in consensus on habitat related issues. 245 Commissioner Rue Observed that 92 percent of the project reviews for industrial development, road construction and timber harvest involving other agencies permits were developed within the targeted deadline of 25 days. The average time was 17 days. 252 Representative Asked if there was a difference in the Lancaster process time with the one-stop shopping in the Kenai. 259 Commissioner Rue Observed that more of the project applications are ready to go. The process is better because all the agencies are there. 270 Commissioner Rue The Division did not meet the goal of 100 percent for completion of third party contracted restoration projects. He noted that of 28 approved projects, 21 (75%) were completed by the end of the federal completion date. The remaining projects should be finished in the fiscal year. 282 Commissioner Rue Discussed measures for the Limited Entry Commission. He noted that they are doing a good job in meeting deadlines. Measures judge the movement of permits. 269 Vice-Chair Bunde Asked the department to work with the Subcommittee to identify other measures that should be included and questioned if there have been changes in the behavior of the public based on review of measures. 311 Commissioner Rue Stated that he would like to adjust allocation targets, by separating drift nets and set nets in Bristol Bay and sport fish versus commercial in the Southeast King Salmon. 314 Representative Fate Asked for additional information on pages 14 and 15. He asked for identification of statistics relating to Tier II licenses and drawings for permits. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 3:26 PM

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